From brian@grot.starconn.com Fri Oct 15 10:29:56 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.geos,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds Subject: RFD: comp.sys.zoomer Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Oct 1993 21:13:49 -0400 Organization: Grot Shops, Ltd. Lines: 56 Sender: tale@rodan.UU.NET Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4161 news.groups:84563 comp.os.geos:439 comp.sys.pen:4315 comp.sys.laptops:13950 comp.sys.palmtops:10094 comp.sys.handhelds:14955 This is a Request for Discussion for a new newsgroup, comp.sys.zoomer. It is being posted to news.announce.newgroups, comp.os.geos, comp.sys.pen, comp.sys.laptops, comp.sys.palmtops, and comp.sys.handhelds. Follow-ups should be directed to news.groups. Proposed Name ------------- comp.sys.zoomer Moderation Status ----------------- Unmoderated. Charter ------- Discussion of all aspects of Zoomer personal digital assistants and related products, including but not limited to the Casio Z-7000, Tandy Z-PDA, and Sharp PT-9000. Rationale --------- Zoomer products are beginning to appear in various retail channels. The Casio and Tandy models are handheld (or is that palmtop?) PDAs. Sharp's model is more of a notebook. As such, discussion of Zoomers in general doesn't fit well in comp.sys.laptops, .palmtops, or .handhelds. Zoomers are primarily pen-based and all use the GEOS operating system, but Zoomer discussions have a larger scope than is served by the charters of comp.sys.pen or comp.os.geos. Other newsgroups for particular PDAs exist or are proposed for the comp.sys hierarchy (comp.sys.newton.* exists, and comp.sys.psion is in CFV). There has been quite a bit of Zoomer-specific traffic in comp.sys.pen and some in comp.os.geos, and there is an active "zoomer-list" mailing list. Traffic is likely to increase as various Zoomer products become available for purchase. I believe that a dedicated newsgroup is justified, but a dedicated hierarchy (such as comp.sys.zoomer.misc, .announce, and .programmer) is premature. Process ------- The normal newsgroup creation guidelines will be followed. Discussion will continue for 30 days from this posting, and after that, a CFV will be posted if appropriate. -- -Brian Smithson brian@grot.starconn.com From brian@grot.starconn.com Wed Oct 27 16:05:10 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.geos,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.zoomer Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 Oct 1993 14:26:57 -0400 Organization: Grot Shops, Ltd. Lines: 57 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4205 news.groups:85996 comp.os.geos:557 comp.sys.pen:4467 comp.sys.laptops:14247 comp.sys.palmtops:10383 comp.sys.handhelds:15037 This is a second Request for Discussion for a new newsgroup, comp.sys.zoomer. It is being posted to news.announce.newgroups, comp.os.geos, comp.sys.pen, comp.sys.laptops, comp.sys.palmtops, and comp.sys.handhelds. Follow-ups should be directed to news.groups. Proposed Name ------------- comp.sys.zoomer Moderation Status ----------------- Unmoderated. Charter ------- Discussion of all aspects of Zoomer personal digital assistants and related products, including but not limited to the Casio Z-7000, Tandy Z-PDA, and Sharp PT-9000. Rationale --------- Zoomer products are being sold in various retail channels. More products have been announced. The Casio and Tandy models are handheld (or is that palmtop?) PDAs. Sharp's model is more of a notebook. As such, discussion of Zoomers in general doesn't fit well in comp.sys.laptops, .palmtops, or .handhelds. Zoomers are primarily pen-based and all use the GEOS operating system, but Zoomer discussions have a larger scope than is served by the charters of comp.sys.pen or comp.os.geos. Other newsgroups for particular PDAs exist or are proposed for the comp.sys hierarchy (comp.sys.newton.* exists, and comp.sys.psion passed its CFV). There has been quite a bit of Zoomer-specific traffic in comp.sys.pen and some in comp.os.geos, and there is an active "zoomer-list" mailing list. Traffic is likely to increase as various Zoomer products become available for purchase. I believe that a dedicated newsgroup is justified, but a dedicated hierarchy (such as comp.sys.zoomer.misc, .announce, and .programmer) is premature. However, some people have indicated a preference for the hierarchy. Process ------- The normal newsgroup creation guidelines will be followed. Discussion will continue until November 13, 1993. After that, an impartial CFV will be posted if appropriate. -- -Brian Smithson brian@grot.starconn.com From rdippold@qualcomm.com Fri Nov 12 15:55:17 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.geos,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds Subject: CFV: comp.sys.zoomer Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Nov 1993 13:38:38 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 70 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 3 Dec 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4263 news.groups:87385 comp.os.geos:718 comp.sys.pen:4584 comp.sys.laptops:14626 comp.sys.palmtops:10655 comp.sys.handhelds:15130 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.sys.zoomer Newsgroups line: comp.sys.zoomer Zoomer Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs). Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 December 1993. After the CFV appears in news.announce.newgroups it will be posted to the Zoomer mailing list, zoomer-list@grot.starconn.com, by the proponent. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Brian Smithson . CHARTER Discussion of all aspects of Zoomer personal digital assistants and related products, including but not limited to the Casio Z-7000, Tandy Z-PDA, and Sharp PT-9000. The group will interact with the Zoomer list, zoomer-list@grot.starconn.com. Zoomer products are being sold in various retail channels. More products have been announced. The Casio and Tandy models are handheld (or is that palmtop?) PDAs. Sharp's model is more of a notebook. As such, discussion of Zoomers in general doesn't fit well in comp.sys.laptops, .palmtops, or .handhelds. Zoomers are primarily pen-based and all use the GEOS operating system, but Zoomer discussions have a larger scope than is served by the charters of comp.sys.pen or comp.os.geos. Other newsgroups for particular PDAs exist or are proposed for the comp.sys hierarchy (comp.sys.newton.* exists, and comp.sys.psion passed its CFV). There has been quite a bit of Zoomer-specific traffic in comp.sys.pen and some in comp.os.geos, and there is an active "zoomer-list" mailing list. Traffic is likely to increase as various Zoomer products become available for purchase. STANDARD VOTING INFO You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to voting@qualcomm.com (just replying by MAIL to this message should work unless you're seeing this on a mailing list). Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.sys.zoomer I vote NO on comp.sys.zoomer Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. You may ABSTAIN in place of YES or NO - abstain votes do not affect the vote outcome. You may change your vote later by voting again. The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the vote results. If you wish to remove your vote and all indication that you have voted from the final list, send a vote with CANCEL in the place of YES/NO/ABSTAIN. Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, no more than one vote per account. 100 more YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes are the requirements for group creation. From rdippold@qualcomm.com Mon Nov 22 15:38:01 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.geos,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.sys.zoomer Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 21 Nov 1993 23:09:09 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 76 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 3 Dec 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4303 news.groups:88347 comp.os.geos:839 comp.sys.pen:4651 comp.sys.laptops:14928 comp.sys.palmtops:10844 comp.sys.handhelds:15201 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.sys.zoomer Newsgroups line: comp.sys.zoomer Zoomer Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs). Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 December 1993. After the CFV appears in news.announce.newgroups it will be posted to the Zoomer mailing list, zoomer-list@grot.starconn.com, by the proponent. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Brian Smithson . CHARTER Discussion of all aspects of Zoomer personal digital assistants and related products, including but not limited to the Casio Z-7000, Tandy Z-PDA, and Sharp PT-9000. The group will interact with the Zoomer list, zoomer-list@grot.starconn.com. Zoomer products are being sold in various retail channels. More products have been announced. The Casio and Tandy models are handheld (or is that palmtop?) PDAs. Sharp's model is more of a notebook. As such, discussion of Zoomers in general doesn't fit well in comp.sys.laptops, .palmtops, or .handhelds. Zoomers are primarily pen-based and all use the GEOS operating system, but Zoomer discussions have a larger scope than is served by the charters of comp.sys.pen or comp.os.geos. Other newsgroups for particular PDAs exist or are proposed for the comp.sys hierarchy (comp.sys.newton.* exists, and comp.sys.psion passed its CFV). There has been quite a bit of Zoomer-specific traffic in comp.sys.pen and some in comp.os.geos, and there is an active "zoomer-list" mailing list. Traffic is likely to increase as various Zoomer products become available for purchase. STANDARD VOTING INFO You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to voting@qualcomm.com (just replying by MAIL to this message should work unless you're seeing this on a mailing list). Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.sys.zoomer I vote NO on comp.sys.zoomer Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. You may ABSTAIN in place of YES or NO - abstain votes do not affect the vote outcome. You may change your vote later by voting again. The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the vote results. If you wish to remove your vote and all indication that you have voted from the final list, send a vote with CANCEL in the place of YES/NO/ABSTAIN. Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, no more than one vote per account. 100 more YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes are the requirements for group creation. comp.sys.zoomer group vote Bounce Ack List - no need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CC1/DBATEMAN@cc1.unt.edu jschiltz@attmail.com srn@Minas_Tirith.cs.su.oz.au From rdippold@qualcomm.com Tue Dec 7 18:07:18 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.geos,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.zoomer fails 114:26 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 7 Dec 1993 15:52:42 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 198 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4377 news.groups:89562 comp.os.geos:1006 comp.sys.pen:4734 comp.sys.laptops:15415 comp.sys.palmtops:11067 comp.sys.handhelds:15265 RESULT unmoderated comp.sys.zoomer group vote results - 140 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 114 26 : Yes No : No : comp.sys.zoomer The proposal needed 100 more Yes votes than No votes, and did not get it, so it fails. Six months is necessary before it can be brought up for vote again. Newsgroups line: comp.sys.zoomer Zoomer Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs). This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Brian Smithson . CHARTER Discussion of all aspects of Zoomer personal digital assistants and related products, including but not limited to the Casio Z-7000, Tandy Z-PDA, and Sharp PT-9000. The group will interact with the Zoomer list, zoomer-list@grot.starconn.com. Zoomer products are being sold in various retail channels. More products have been announced. The Casio and Tandy models are handheld (or is that palmtop?) PDAs. Sharp's model is more of a notebook. As such, discussion of Zoomers in general doesn't fit well in comp.sys.laptops, .palmtops, or .handhelds. Zoomers are primarily pen-based and all use the GEOS operating system, but Zoomer discussions have a larger scope than is served by the charters of comp.sys.pen or comp.os.geos. Other newsgroups for particular PDAs exist or are proposed for the comp.sys hierarchy (comp.sys.newton.* exists, and comp.sys.psion passed its CFV). There has been quite a bit of Zoomer-specific traffic in comp.sys.pen and some in comp.os.geos, and there is an active "zoomer-list" mailing list. Traffic is likely to increase as various Zoomer products become available for purchase. comp.sys.zoomer group vote Final Vote Ack Yes Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ aedly@aol.com albert@wixer.bga.com Albert Nurick ali@cat.rpi.edu Michael Ali amckendr@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu Ain McKendrick andya@crash.cts.com Andy Abramson anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Anthony J Stieber blanch@capella.cup.hp.com David O. Blanchard brennan@hal.com Dave Brennan brian@piano.grot.starconn.com Brian Smithson britt@tigercat.den.mmc.com Dan Britt bryleeb@aol.com bsw!bsw!gary@uunet.UU.NET bsw!bsw!tonyl@uunet.UU.NET bsw!jdashe@uunet.UU.NET Jeremy Dashe bsw!morgan@uunet.UU.NET Morgan Fletcher carl@palm.com Carl Chen CC1/DBATEMAN@cc1.unt.edu Douglas Bateman ccastdc@prism.gatech.edu chena@cs.uq.oz.au childers@gab.unt.edu JAMES CHILDERS chris@locomotive.com Chris Hall chuahl@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Chua Hak Lien chuck%melmac@harris-atd.com Chuck Musciano chuckv@world.std.com Chuck B Valois ckee@aol.com conor@inmos.co.uk Conor O'Neill cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu Calvin D. Swartzentruber Davy.Thomas@Corp.Sun.COM Davy Thomas - N.A. Solution Center dmurphy@cwa.COM Dan Murphy doug@cc.ysu.edu Doug Sewell dr_mcgee@ccmail.pnl.gov David R McGee ebh@tiamat.umd.umich.edu James K. Hood ebweb@netcom.com Eberhard E.H. Weber enertec@netcom.com The Gang at Enertec fetrow@biostat.washington.edu Dave Fetrow ford@usl.com Mike Ditto frenette@ast.com Dan Frenette fritzson@VFL.Paramax.COM ggurman@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Gail Gurman glenm@ephor.tusc.oz.au glp@fig.citib.com Greg Parkinson glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil Gerald Reno gm@bsun11.zfe.siemens.de Gerd Maderlechner godfrel@sfu.ca gs005b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Sully IZZY971@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Michael S. Scherotter jbarr@mcs.com James W. Barr JEFF@lagoon.palm.com Jeff Hawkins Jessie_Zoldak@Notesteam.lotus.com Jessie Zoldak jody@palm.com Jody Schreiber johnm@po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU John D. Mitchell jschiltz@attmail.com John J Schiltz jyouells@cup.portal.com kcr@palm.com Christopher Raff kevink@aluxs.att.com kudut@ritz.mordor.com Kenneth Udut l15d@zfn.uni-bremen.de Martin Schr"oder lawson@fasttax.com Chuck Lawson lester@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Thomas E. Lester lrau@Cadence.COM MAD@lagoon.palm.com Mary-Ann Donnolo maderlec@forwiss.tu-muenchen.de Herr Maderlechner marc@MIT.EDU Marc Horowitz marmstro@mcs.kent.edu melvin@pop.nih.gov Melvin Mason mikebaz@prism.nmt.edu Michael C. Bazarewsky mkovacs@mcs.kent.edu mkrawitz@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU matthew s krawitz monty@palm.com Monty Boyer mpal@cs.rice.edu Michael Paleczny mshaw@bnr.ca michael (m.d.) shaw muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk Nigel Ballard owens@desperado.utd.rochester.edu Bill Owens p-hurley1@tamu.edu Philip Hurley p.j.myers@mcc.ac.uk Patrick Myers pat@tstc.edu Patrick E. Hykkonen patton@panix.com Stephen M. Patton peter@psg.com Peter Lerten phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sam Jam pjp@netcom.com jack pines quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn rf@fil.fido.de Rudi Ferrari richard@netcom.com Richard O. Jones rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller rickm@pdn.paradyne.com Rick Mundwiler rking@auspex.com Richard King Robert.Boucher@asimov.ocunix.on.ca Robert Boucher robsho@robsho.Auto-trol.COM Robert Shock roger@palm.com Roger Flores Russ.Button@Eng.Sun.COM Russ Button SAAST8@vms.cis.pitt.edu sani@mhcnet.att.com sgray@panix.com Steven Gray shawnlg@netcom.com Shawn Gordhamer sj@palm.com Suzanne Jacobs ski+@CMU.EDU C. Mark DelSesto solovay@netcom.com Andrew Solovay stewart.willsher@lon40.nt.com Stewart Willsher surendar@cs.duke.edu Surendar Chandra swt@garble.affinity.mn.org Stephen W. Thomas tdean@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com Tony Dean Timo.Rinne@hut.fi Timo Rinne tommoberg@aol.com VBJOU00C@VAX.CSUN.EDU Ezra Shapiro vitaly@palm.com Vitaly Marty Kruglikov wallich@ncd.com Ken Wallich wells@zach.fit.edu James M. Wells wilson@hsi.com John Wilson wright_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz yeongw@spartacus.psi.com Wengyik Yeong ysyun@rose.handy.co.kr Youngsun Yun zigmunds@mii.lu.lv Zigmunds Vainers zimm@eagle.navsses.navy.mil No Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A.H.Henry@midge.bath.ac.uk ataiyabi@mail.vt.edu Asif Taiyabi ault@cs.albany.edu bruce@focus-systems.on.ca Bruce Fletcher burt+@CMU.EDU Burt N Holzman cward@psylocke.ipc.amex-trs.com Christopher Ward dcameron@gssec.bt.co.uk David Cameron fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P Ryan gbel@dcs.ed.ac.uk ggw@acpub.duke.edu G. "Wolfe" Woodbury jrm@globalvillag.com John "Fax This!" MacWilliamson julian@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey lon@chs.com Lon Jones lonadar@judy.indstate.edu Lonadar the Wanderer mehta@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Raj Mehta mikey@sgi.com Mike Yang mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS rcasey@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu revu@midway.uchicago.edu Sendhil Revuluri robbruce@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU Robert E. Bruce roberson@hamer.ibd.nrc.ca Walter Roberson shane@spr.com Shane Hartman srn@Minas_Tirith.cs.su.oz.au Stephen Norris srogers@tad.eds.com Steve Rogers suh@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kenneth Suh wkearney@access.digex.net William Kearney From brian@grot.starconn.com Tue Nov 29 12:45:21 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.geos,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds Subject: RFD: comp.sys.zoomer Followup-To: news.groups Date: 29 Nov 1994 11:14:47 -0500 Organization: Grot Shops, Ltd. Lines: 51 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <3bfk1n$c46@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5997 news.groups:124970 comp.os.geos:6830 comp.sys.pen:7477 comp.sys.laptops:32281 comp.sys.palmtops:19715 comp.sys.handhelds:17282 This is a Request for Discussion for a new newsgroup, comp.sys.zoomer. It is being posted to news.announce.newgroups, comp.os.geos, comp.sys.pen, comp.sys.laptops, comp.sys.palmtops, and comp.sys.handhelds. Follow-ups should be directed to news.groups. Proposed Name ------------- comp.sys.zoomer Moderation Status ----------------- Unmoderated. Charter ------- Discussion of all aspects of Zoomer personal digital assistants and related products, including but not limited to the Casio Z-7000, Tandy Z-PDA, AST/GRiDpad 2390, and Sharp PT-9000. Rationale --------- - The Casio, Tandy, and AST models are handheld (or is that palmtop?) PDAs. The Sharp model is more of a subnotebook. As such, discussion of Zoomers in general doesn't fit well in comp.sys.laptops, .palmtops, or .handhelds. - Zoomers are primarily pen-based and all use the GEOS operating system, but Zoomer discussions have a different scope than is served by the charters of either comp.sys.pen or comp.os.geos. - Other newsgroups for particular PDAs exist in the comp.sys hierarchy. - There has been quite a bit of Zoomer-specific traffic in comp.sys.pen, comp.sys.handhelds, comp.sys.palmtops, and comp.os.geos, and there is an active "zoomer-list" mailing list. I believe that a dedicated newsgroup is justified, but a whole hierarchy (such as comp.sys.zoomer.misc, .announce, and .programmer) is probably not needed. Process ------- The normal newsgroup creation guidelines will be followed. Discussion will continue for 30 days from this posting, and after that, a CFV will be posted if appropriate. -- -Brian Smithson brian@grot.starconn.com